Also, while I thought the 150,000 years thing was a surprise (I definitely didn’t see that coming), it’s kind of depressing because it shows that they really didn’t break the cycle. They helped evolve civilization, but it’s not like people stop killing people and stop fighting wars..I guess the creators of the show were really just concerned with making political statements about the current state of the world. I thought this show was so much more than that..pretty disappointing.

And it certainly DOES NOT reflect well on humanity (or whatever you
want to call it) that Cavill and all the other cylons on the base ship were just killed in the
end. It wasn’t anyone’s fault, since Chief starting strangling Tory, but
I actually thought the two sides were going to make peace with each
other..I guess not.  I guess that wasn’t really feasible, and at least this way Adama and company didn’t have to make an immoral decision of backstabbing Cavill and killing them and only did so in self-defense, but it just shows that peace could never be reached.

I have a lot of comments about the finale and the series.

I definitely agree with Dax..I think the final few minutes of the series
really cheapened the finale and cheapened the effect of the series as a
whole. The robot videos and the discussion of consumerism just made the
whole message of the show seem like the generic idea of machines taking
over humanity, like in I, Robot and many other books/shows/movies, etc.
This show was about sooo much more than that. Plus, the robot videos
were just stupid. I really hated that and cannot believe they threw that
in there.

I don’t fully understand why Adama had to leave. I thought he was going
to commit suicide to be with Laura forever, but why couldn’t he have
just built a cabin near Lee? That seemed sooooooooo strange that he
would just abandon his son for no real reason.

In terms of Kara…I’m glad that she was able to fulfill her role. When
they kept calling her the harbinger of death and they said she would
bring them to their end, I thought that meant she was going to get them
all killed. Am I the only one that thought that? I guess it just means
she was going to get them to their final destination, but that seemed
weak. I also was disappointed that she had to go and that she just
vanished without saying goodbye. I knew as soon as she came back from
the dead that her character would never be the same again, but I would
have been more convinced if she had gone off with Sam into the sun. I
guess they leave it up in the air as to where she goes and why she goes
on purpose, but it didn’t really feel complete. It’s one thing not to
spell it out, but it just didn’t feel right, which really upset me
because I loved her character. After having seen the finale now, I kind
of wish the show ended after she jumps them to “Earth.” I guess they
wanted to do the 150,000 years thing so that wouldn’t be possible. I
thought certain things were really touching once they were on the
planet, but they didn’t really get explained.

I also feel like the flashbacks revealed very little about the
characters and the story. The only thing that was really relevant was
Kara saying she didn’t want to be forgotten. Otherwise, they didn’t
really accomplish anything. It wasn’t really necessary to know why Adama
was retiring..it wasn’t really necessary to know how Kara and Lee met,
since we knew that she dated his brother, so it was obvious they would
have met..it wasn’t really necessary to know why Baltar initially
decided to help Six get access to the mainframe; it was obvious they
were dating and he was careless, so it wasn’t really any new
information..it wasn’t really necessary to know why Laura went into
politics. Her flashback was just depressing that she lost her family,
got cancer and then had to save humanity. But it didn’t add anything. I
feel like they could have added SOOO much more with the flashbacks. I
was very disappointed with that. I thought when they introduced Zach
that he was going to be a cylon or something (since, as I said before, I
had been thinking that since the beginning of the show), but nothing
important came from the flashbacks.

Looking back on the show as a whole now, I feel like they revealed the
final 5 way too early. I feel like that was the most shocking part of
the show, and that they didn’t really tell us anything that
interesting/surprising/shocking since then. Plus, they revealed them all
at the same time. Maybe in some respects it was logistically necessary
to do so, but I feel like they could have accomplished it by telling us 2
or 3 of them and leaving 1-2 surprises for later on. It just seemed
like bigger things were going to happen after they told us that..that
more extreme developments would be introduced/revealed. But if you think
about it, nothing else was revealed. And Helen being part of the final 5
does not count as being a shocking development. I NEVER understood why
that was supposed to be a surprise AT ALL. We knew from the very
beginning that Helen was a cylon because she didn’t pass Baltar’s cylon
test. Why in the world did they treat that as a shocking revelation?!? I
thought that was one of the worst parts of the entire series..I never
understood that.

I’m really anxious to discuss some of this with people who have seen the
show..please let me know what you think. Thanks so much!!!

Off course he doesnt like to be called God, he had so much to learn from Leto. Anyway, Starbuck is Jessica reborn, Baltar is Muad’dib and Six must be some weird descendant of Erasmus. Cavil was a Face Dancer for sure. And they dont use axolotl tanks anymore, now they have the tub of goo and resurrection, whatever.

Ok, 150 millenia pass, we invent robots, in 1997 Skynet becomes sentient and Head Baltar and Six cry over the skull mountain saw by Bender when he travels in Farnsworth’s time machine. Later all is good, humanity conqueres known universe until Harry Seldon comes up with his crazy psychohistory ideas. Then Trantor and …more robots.

There, that’s how series should have ended. I did enjoy the way it did however.

Maybe, maybe not – but clearly you don’t. I realize I’m chiming in late, but here’s the thing with Mitochondrial Eve – she is not the only female from her generation who passed on any offspring. She is simply the one whose mitochondrial DNA was passed on to all of us. Other females may have passed on progeny – in fact they almost certainly did. Mitochondrial Eve is simply the woman whose mitochondrial DNA have managed to crowd out everyone else’s.

Simple example – most of us (all of us, one would hope) have 4 grandparents. Whose mitochondrial DNA did we inherit? That of our maternal grandmother. Does that mean our other 3 grandparents didn’t pass on any genes, or don’t have any surviving descendants? Of course not! They simply did not pass on their mitochondrial DNA to you. It’s quite possible, in fact, that you have received less than 25% of your 30,000 or so genes from your maternal grandmother, so she may actually have passed on fewer of her genes to you than any of your 3 other grandparents – but you did get her motcihondrial DNA.

The same logic holds true for BSG’s Hera. She might not have passed on any genes *but* her mitcohondrial DNA.

No, that isn’t what bothers me, scientifically, about the finale of BSG, whose writing really went downhill after the first season. What bothers me is that they puroport these people to have arrived 150,000 years ago. What didn’t humans have 150,000 years ago? Complex language, writing, *agriculture.* Modern humans had not yet even left Africa if most theories are to be believed. Did the 12 colony survivors choose not to pass on language, writing or agriculture to their progeny? We see in the finale one character discussing teaching Hera how to plant crops. But agriculture was invented only 10,000 years ago, and writing only about 5,000 years ago. So the timeline is off by about 145,000 years, at least.

The end of the show has Baltar and Six strolling through New York. To me, this points more to a hint that those two belong to a group that existed before all of this… that is still around from a previous “cycle”.

“This has all happened before and it will all happen again”

Does that mean that everyone died when it happened before? No. Could someone still be alive from a previous cycle? Yes, with the resurrection technology they are effectively immortal. Gaius and Six could have been planted into the BSG cycle we witnessed to guide events, having their memories of their previous lives removed, but being influenced by other copies of themselves.

As to why nobody else could see their copies, who knows what kind of technology can be created when a race has millennia to study and invent? Mind control? Perception transmissions? Teleportation? Doesn’t seem to far fetched given enough time. The cylons from this cycle already have intimate knowledge of the brain and they’ve not had all that long to work it out.

As to who “God” is for the purposes of the storyline, God could simply be an ancient cylon or program designed to seed humanity throughout the stars. Which would explain why the natives on earth were genetically compatible with the BSG crew and colonists, the chance of which is near impossible to explain mathmatically. They’re genetically compatible because “God” seeded them there.

As for Starbuck, she’d have to be one of these precursor people also, with “God” having enough knowledge about her brain and mental processes to know what clues would ensure she could to get them to earth.

As for HoustonReal’s problem with the Mitochondrial Eve being Hera… Perhaps there were a lot of 8′s dropped here and there on the new earth… and she’d be closely related to Hera, being her mother. Mitochondrial Eve would have been an 8 though, not Hera. And why the 6′s didn’t factor into this the same way, I dunno. A little bit of writer’s error in such a grand tale is acceptable. It wasn’t enough to ruin it for me. They did seem to point to Hera being Eve, but it was never actually stated… the 8′s make more sense.

In Caprica, Eric Stoltz plays Daniel Graystone — the man who created the Cylons.

So if Daniel is the creator of the Cylons, and Hera is mother to our modern civilization in which everyone has some cylon in them, then wouldn’t it make sense that the absolute highest “God”-like being would be Daniel Graystone?

It’s too easy for Ronald D Moore and David Eick to just say it’s all God and religion. No, no. Those two would create their own religion and religious beings.

There’s a whole lot more story to this than we know about yet.

This is my shot in the freakin’ dark guess to it all.

I was a bit disappointed in several points:

- The whole Kara is an angel thing. I admit that there was no other way to end it after finding her dead body on earth. But why the hell lead humanity to the destoyed earth an only later to the real one??!! God is mysterious in his ways.. puh

- What happend to the other “evil” cylon-models. I mean, they did not get their resurrection ability, so they should have a strong motive to find the 4 (resp. 3) of the final five to try to get the information from them. So it was a bit disappointing that the earth was still standin 150000 years later ;)

- Balter/Caprica 6: What the f**k are they?? Angels?? Strange…

But again, I liked the ending of the show…

Read the Bible – Daniel’s name was changed to Belshazzar, or Balthazar – or Baltar.

Maybe it’s just some kind of being, maybe it’s Daniel (who is the creator of Cylons, keep in brain), maybe it’s something else. We don’t need to go right to it being religious. There could be so much more to the things everyone seems to dislike about the episode then we realize at the moment.

This could all still be storyline that we’re unaware of. Maybe Caprica will tell, maybe we’ll never know.

Lots of maybe goin’ down here.

at first i was kinda bummed we didn’t get a clear answer as to what exactly Starbuck was, but it’s nice that it was left open to interpretation i now think.

the only plot flaw i can think of that really bugs me is the same one that i didn’t like about the season 2 ending, and that was that they were just too quick to settle down. back at the end of season 2 they were right in the middle of all this fighting and dying and as soon as they find a new planet they just jump ship and settle and suddenly it’s a mere 1 year later and so many people have left the ships once the cylons make their return the skeleton crews have no choice but to run away because they left themselves too vulnerable. there was no logic in that as they knew damn well all the cylons were still out there actively looking for them. now in this ending sure they think they have peace with the cylons but remember in the beginning the only way they knew where to jump in front of the big cylon base was because they said as they were scouting it they got lucky and 2 cylon base ships jumped in & out while they were photographing it. so they know for a fact that there is at the very least 2 full base ships (most likely alot more) out there still loyal to Cavil’s way of thinking that didn’t show up during the fight so might not know what happened. now soon as they find Earth it’s “let’s go settle with sticks & stones and trash all our ships in the sun and cross our fingers they don’t bother to look for us again”? i can accept them wanting to trust the Centurions, but what about all the other cylons out flying around the galaxy? it’s a common sense flaw that bugs me, but oh well.

as for who was Daniel, that didn’t bother me as when he was first mentioned it made sense to me that when the five were first helping the cylons make skin jobs there would be trial & error. i think back the Star Trek TNG and Data finding out about Lore. Data discovers that even Lore wasn’t the 1st android created but they never showed any of the other failed attempts. there wasn’t a need to, as it’s the ones that survived that are in the storyline.

overall Battlestar Galactica was one of the best shows i’ve ever seen, and this was a pretty damn great ending, with the exception of the final minute as i mentioned above. 20 years from now when i decide to watch the entire series again on DVD i know i’ll be hitting the stop button just a few moments before the credits roll.