Best News Ever: Ice Man Richard Kuklinski Movie Delayed Due To Channing Tatum Casting Possibility
Posted by The Movie God | August 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am
In this world, there is nothing more refreshing than someone saying “no” to the misguided and highly-confused Hollywood machine.
The New York Post is reporting that Phil Carlo, author of The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer, has pulled out of his deal with producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura to turn his book into a movie. The reason: di Bonaventura wanted to cast questionable budding superstar Channing Tatum (G.I. Joe, Step Up) in the lead role of the Ice Man, Richard Kuklinski. If you’re not familiar with Kuklinski, then this doesn’t really affect you either way. Believe me when I say that would have been one of the most disgusting casting choices in the history of cinema.
In case you’re not familiar with him, Richard Kuklinski was a man who claimed to have killed 100 to 200 people, and this being true would not surprise me in the least. At first, he was just a purely cold-blooded killer who told stories of murdering people with no remorse for every-day things that simply piss you and I off, like road rage. When the mafia caught wind of his…ability…to kill without a second thought, they went out and hired him as their hitman. He obtained his nickname, Ice Man, due to the fact that he threw the bodies of his victims in a giant freezer to make determining the time of death nearly impossible. He died in prison in 2006.
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Apparently, the option that di Bonaventura owned was about to expire, and he was asking for more time from Carlo so he could get financing and get the project moving. Carlo had heard that the actor he had in mind was Tatum, so he smartly said no.
Here’s a quote on the matter from Carlo:
I had to turn him down. I really hated the idea of Channing Tatum. I told di Bonaventura that this is not the guy to play one of the most feared killers of the 20th Century. I think Mickey Rourke would really be good. He’s got that sense of danger, and there’s a similarity between the two. But it’s not Channing Tatum.
Honestly, I don’t even think Mickey Rourke is a good choice for this role, at all.
It’s hard for me to even describe this man to you if you haven’t seen him with your own eyes. MSNBC has two specials that feature him sitting down with an interviewer, ready and willing to answer every single question in detail. Late one night, I caught one of these specials by chance, and I’ve never been the same. I couldn’t change the channel because the man was frightfully fascinating — he was diabolically infatuating. The way he spoke about these incredibly unspeakable acts…was almost hard to watch. He spoke of them with no remorse, no regret, not a care in the world, like he would and could do every single one of them again in a heartbeat. The man was literally ice cold, and I always thought his nickname fit him much better in this regard.
The reason a name like Channing Tatum makes me so angry, is because of how unique this man was, not only in his personality, but in his mannerisms. He had a very distinct voice complete with an accent. His eyes and his mouth had very obvious and natural ticks to their movements while he spoke of his acts. This man wasn’t born, he was undeviatingly molded of the fires of Hell. Then when you didn’t think a man could be harder to portray as an actor, he throws another layer into the cake: sadness. At one point in one of the specials, Kuklinski’s family becomes the topic of discussion, and in one of the more chilling scenes of the whole thing, you see the slightest of slight signs of emotion. This man with no emotion whatsoever — no problem with killing another human being — truly and honestly loved his family. You witness a man with no regrets bare his one regret, and it can almost be a touching moment. If there is an actor out there who could portray this man with perfection, there is no doubt in my mind that they would win an Oscar — it would be one thousand times more impressive than Charlize Theron’s similar job on Monster.
When I first saw these specials, I immediately wished I could write the script, because the character was just that amazing. Unfortunately, I’m not that talented. I literally spent hours thinking about it as a movie and who could possibly play Richard Kuklinski, and I could not think of one. James Gandolfini is probably the closest one out there, but because he played Tony Soprano, he’s already typecast and it wouldn’t work. I think someone like Paul Giamatti could do it, but he’s too small — Kuklinski was a giant of a man. I think someone like Michael Parks (Bill’s gentleman of leisure father-figure in Kill Bill Volume 2) could do well, but again, too small, too skinny.
The reason why I think it’s impossible to play Kuklinski? Because that man has seen things more horrible than any of us could ever imagine, and you can see it in his eyes. Whether someone can play him or not is yet-to-be-seen, but I promise you one thing: Channing Tatum is so far from talented enough to do the job, it’s sickening.
As you can tell, I’ve had a large amount of thoughts about this man and his story as a movie. With no one else ever having seen it that I could discuss it with, you guys get to hear it all. Thanks for sticking in there!
Here’s one part of one of the specials on MSNBC. It’s an interview from 1995, and you can see for yourself what I mean. I believe you can watch the rest on YouTube if you want to. I’m not sure how often they’re replayed on TV. Video has some graphic topics and images, so watch with caution.
I want to hear what you all think. Who could possibly play Richard Kuklinski in a movie, and do it well?
You people are giving MORONIC casting choices like Leaonardo Decaprio a SISSY…Christian Bale another SISSY etc etc etc….
fortheduration
Actually GANDOLFINI’S Tony Soprano casting was MODELED from KUKLINSKI…a little known FACT….including his love for Ducks….which was typified Greatly in several sopranos Episodes.
Mark
I heard about the Gandolfini/Iceman connection. In fact, my sister lived on Hardenburgh Ave., right near the duck pond RK frequented. Thank God I wasn’t there splashing at the ducks at the same time he was there! Another name to throw in the mix, if he’s clean and sober (not likely) Tom Sizemore. He has the size and the acting ability but what studio would take a chance on this guy?
fortheduration
I’am NOW reading the book. When I first saw the HBO “Iceman Tapes”
I KNEW Kuklinski was a liar and EMBELLISHED the truth.He was in jail and wanted to (A)look like a big shot. (B)Draw a book/Movie deal for his family to live off of. The book is GREAT if one views it as fiction…but even one who steals chocolate bars from 5 different stores is gonna get caught! The book is REDUNDANT and makes ZERO sense, RK ALWAYS having a Public Beef with some guy then 2 days later the guys dead body is Found…NO one makes the Connection in some 40 or more “Murders”
like that? And that RK BS about him setting up a “Time Lapsed” camera and LIGHTS in a cave while some “Mark” gets eaten alive by RATS..I didn’t know that caves had Electricty? ? ?
Mistanature
Yo i always thought Markie Mark Wahlberg has the look, but he’s too short(better than channing tatum still).
This is the first time i heard Mickey Rourke’s name which isn’t that bad…but MY ACTOR which no one has said yet….is 1.a very good actor 2.Nominated 3. has the look 4. is just a few inches short……anywayz drumroll……none other then…..Mr………..JOSH BROLIN…..and 5. He would definetly do it with the write script.
cakehead
John Goodman
http://hotmail john connolly
brendan gleeson or viggo mortensen as the iceman,edward norton as provanzano,sean penn as pat kane and joaquin phoenix as roy de meo
originaldeadman
what about jeff bridges? i know he’s short but he kinda looked like kuklinski in iron man
mistanature
1.Josh Brolin 2.Mickey Rourke 3.Jimmy Gandolfini
mistanature
Holy shit….i just saw some pics of the dude back in the day looks just like the mother fucker on zodiac…..dud who played Drew Carrey’s cross dressing brother…..that muh fucka could totally pull it off!
CHAD
james gandolfini would be an excellent choice for kuclinski,as a force to e dealt with as tony soprano the choice should be quite obvious.
Ronan
In response to fortheduration:
I beleive alot of the murders RK takes credit for it the book are exaggerated ie Roy DeMeo. He claims to have worked with him on numerous occassions yet is not mentioned once in ‘Murder Machine’, the book about DeMeo’s murders. In Gaspipe’s (Casso) biography, which is also wrote by Phillip Carlo, DeMeo’s killing was attributed to Anthony Casso. I do beleive though that RK is very well capable of some
of the stories told in ‘the Ice Man’ and I’m pretty sure lights & cameras can be battery powered too
http://n/a Ed
Just finished the book. I thought it was a great book. At times redundant and a little far feched. One things for sure it would make a great movie with the right actor. Tony Soprano would be the natrual choice but I think would I be thinking Tony as Tony not Richard. I like the John Malkovich idea.
http://n/a Ed
Watched Shawshank Shank Redemption last night for the 10th+ time (great movie). How about Tim Robbins? Hes got the size and pedigree.
fortheduration
It’s IMPOSSIBLE to power camera lights and motion detectors over a course of several days while RATS eat a man up as KUKLINSKI claims. battery packs even TODAY don;t make it past a half an hour. In the book NONE of those tapes were ever Seen or substantietad by Cops or ANYONE. Kunklinski Tried to make himself a Bigger Man than he was,like claiming to RIP a womens car doors off the hinges?????? He had no real muscularity..he was a liar!
Donny boy
The one actor who could play the Iceman IMO, Peter Iacangelo
fortheduration
MOST of these “Actor Choices” for KUKLINSKI are made from IMBECILES……if an Actor does NOT have the PHYSICAL look…..it CAN’T be done….I don’t care HOW good you think they are!
fortheduration
The book WAS REDUNAT,and many times Irrelevant for instance,the writer describes HOBOKEN NJ “The Hometown of Frank Sinatra” WHO cares…and OTHER Irrelevant pasages.
Sunny
4theduration obviously entitled to his opinion, hasn’t a clue. 1. The essence of what acting is,is to become or portray others. 2. Sinatra on almost any list would come up as either the number one or two singer of all times (Elvis being the other); a man who’s career spanned a time of nearly 70 years and well known to many generations. When mentioning a locale in a book it is often mentioned that it is the birth place of a significant person born there! It is easy to be a critic and have an opinion another thing entirely to contribute.
Sunny
Billy
Hey I Googled this Iacangelo guy (because I didn’t know who he was). Wow! I would put him up there with the best. He’s done some fine work. Probably most known for his work in “Fight Club” but he has starred in many films and hundreds of TV shows. I guess he’s not much of a publicity hound. He gets my vote for the role.
mak
Kevin Nash the wrestler is his double
bubble
what about joaquin phoenix? he has that whole misterious thing going on and has put a bit of wieght on failling that then i think it would have to be someone not that well known so not to overshadow the ice mans actuall character which is in itself amazing
fortheduration
You people are MORONIC Candy-Asses…..JOAQUIN PHOENIX as KUKLINSKI…what a SORRY ass generation you kids REALLY are. You need a Hard-Ass cat to play the role (( PERIOD )) STOP with the weirdo fantasy Casting!
johnnybhoy
dont know the guys name but he played the psycho in no country for old men, that dude was scary, not as scary the iceman but with a real good make over he could pull it off {mabey}
fortheduration
In REALITY………NO one has the Physical characteristics nor the charisma OF KUKLINSKI to play him. NICK NOLTE I feel is the ONLY one PHYSICALLY and actor enough to play the guy!
http://geeksofdoom.com orlando alonzo
wow lots of great choices guys, but the verdict is as follows… young version should be(leonardo dicaprio) guy is the baddest actor right now,, a hit maker!!! and the interview version or old kuklinski should be (jack nicholson) the hall of famer, another hit maker……. RA
fortheduration
ORLANDO
Leonardo Dicaprio is a FAGGOT just like you…you MUST be Fucken kidding!
DM
James Gandolfini definitely looks the most like Richard. I think James would have worked just fine.
fortheduration
The Tony Soprano character was BASED on KUKLINSKI…THAT is WHY
Gandolfini was cast AS that Character….FACT!
jake
viggo mortensen was a good choice, eric bana might be able to pull off the younger years as well
seth
The only person I could think of with the acting ability and the stature to play Kuklinsky is believe it or not…John Goodman! Shocking I know, but he can pull it off. P.S. Read the book, awesome!!!
fortheduration
SETH…..JOHN GOODMAN is NOT so far-fetched! Also considering some of the SEMEN Swallowing suggestions I’ve seen on here ALREADY!
fortheduration
MOST of you People ar fucken IMBECILES with your KUKLINSKI casting Suggestions. Probably an Unknown actor is “Waiting in the Wings” who has the physicality OF KUKLINSKI which for a Role like that is a MANDATORY Need!
Gaffer 138
I think this should be made into two films as the book covers a lot of ground.Don’t think he’s been mentioned yet but Clancy Brown as Richard Kuklinski ticks all the boxes for me(remember the Kurgen?).For the interview stage i think Larry Drake looks a lot like him,Also Robert Knepper would be good as Robert Pronge.
Daniel
James Gandolfini would be perfect IMO. Actors like Wilkinson etc look too anglo.
fortheduration
CLANCY BROWN…an EXCELLENT Choice,How about Michael Rooker?
fortheduration
Also actor Vic Noto,an unknown,check him out by punching in his name to Youtube Especially the “Real Men” Video,he’s done Homicide and the Sopranos and recently the Scorsese/HBO Series Boardwalk Empire.
Maura
How about Tom Sizemore? Or is he in jail or rehab? I actually went to catholic school with Kuklinskis kids. He did the whole “Bingo volunteer” thing and all (usually wearing a long black trenchcoat – weird). Read the Iceman book and couldn’t believe the actions of this man, since childhood!
fortheduration
SIZEMORE is out and about making films.He’s Great but Not really a Physical match for KOOKLINSKI!
Bjorn Henrikson
I think Woody Allen would be a great choice to play Richard Kuklinski!
johnny rotten
what about sean connery, I know hes retired but if he was to read carlos book….
Jason W.
I know the perfect actor. Jonathan Banks. He is great in Breaking Bad and has the eyes of someone who has seen many bad things.
Jason W.
Jonathan Banks.
Luce
Thank GOD Tatum has been denied the role – how about David Morse? (Green Mile) He’s a big fella & a bloody good actor. If they’re going ahead with Rourke I hope he does the job well.
John
I’m not sure of the mans name. But I’m certain you can find out. He has the craziest eyes. Almost always plays a psycho in movies. He’s also already bald headed now, and a really big man, like Kuklinski. He had a role in the first season or two of the HBO series Deadwood. The guy that was shot a few times and was left to die. But Calamity Jane’s character, Robin Wiegel, nursed him back to health. His name on Deadwood was Moses or Mos. Years ago, when he still had hair, he also played an escape prison psycho on an episode of the 80′s series Miami Vice. I’m sure you can find out this mans name. I’m sure he’s been in other stuff, too. These are two things I remember him in. He’d be perfect. Big guy. Bald headed. Crazy, crazy eyes. And plays an excellent psycho. Take my description and check this guy out for yourself. He’d be an awesome Richard Kuklinski. IMO.
Gaffer 138
Just looked him up on IMDB, His name is Pruitt Taylor Vince and he played Mose Manuel in deadwood. He definitely has a touch of the psycho’s about him.
Maura
Holy crap, how about Christopher Walken? If anyone can play a psycopath, he can!
Jimmy
I would pick Michael Ironside.
Phrozenbuns
What about Gerard Butler? Check him out in “Law Abiding Citizen”
http://verizon tom spalsbury
JAMES GANDOLFINI ALL THE WAY.He’s from New Jersey first of all and secound of all.He’s almost a dead ringer for Richard Kuklinski.Any other choice would be rediculas.Once he grows a goatie and stairs at you with those cold eyes.Forget abought it.He’s Kuklinski.
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