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Twilight: The Team Edward or Team Jacob Debate
Empress Eve   |  

Last week saw the release of the third Twilight film The Twilight Saga: Eclipse, which, not surprisingly, turned up huge numbers at the box office. Yes, the fans are loyal, but there’s one thing that divides them: which side they are on, Team Edward or Team Jacob.

Recently, I was invited by Geekosystem to participate in a feature where they asked prominent geeks [their words] to chose a side — Team Edward or Team Jacob — and explain why. There was also the option to remain neutral, but I took that to mean that you were unable to decide, not that you didn’t want to decide. So, I picked a side.

Unlike some of my fellow participants [I'm talking to you, Warren Ellis], I took my assignment quite seriously, even though I wouldn’t consider myself a fan of the Twilight series (although, I’m not a ‘hater’ — I, of all people, can appreciate obsession [hello, Star Wars/Star Trek]). Since this issue is being debating worldwide and has been popping up all over the news (no, seriously, look), I thought it time that I address it.

I can’t imagine there’s anyone left on the planet that doesn’t already know the story of Twilight and what Team Edward/Jacob means, but for the five of you out there, before I delve into my argument, here’s the deal (oh, and SPOILERS) so far…

After her mother remarries, the teenage Bella Swan moves to Forks, Washington, to live with her father, the town’s police chief Charlie Swan. At school she meets Edward Cullen and immediately there’s some kind of weird attraction/repulsion between them. Eventually, Bella discovers that Edward is a vampire who sparkles in the sun and the unlikely duo fall madly in love. Then some other vampires come and ruin everything, danger, danger, danger, and but true love prevails, and that’s the first movie.

In the sequel, New Moon, the love birds are doing fine for about 5 minutes before Bella gets a paper cut and is nearly devoured by Edward’s vampire family. Figuring Bella would be better off without him, Edward breaks up with her (“I don’t want you!”), breaking her heart. For months Bella is despondent and cannot get over losing Edward. (And who can fucking blame her? They were happy, in love, promises about ‘forever’ were made, and then he abandons her. That’s fucked up.) In an effort to finally move on, Bella seeks solace in the arms of her childhood friend Jacob Black, a Native American Quileute who also happens to be a werewolf. While she seems to be falling for Jacob, she just can’t get over Edward, especially since his ghost for some reason keeps haunting her. Danger, danger, danger, trip to Italy for more danger, Edward and Bella get back together, Edward proposes.

In Eclipse, Edward is still proposing and we’re supposed to believe that this girl who can’t live without him and will give up her human life to become a vampire to live with him forever will not marry. Umm, right. Luckily for her, there’s more vampires out there who want to kill her (as always) and so the Cullen clan must join forces with the Werewolves (though they are nature enemies, supposedly) to defeat this other newborn vampire army. Leading up to the battle, Edward, Jacob, and Bella sleep in a tent, where the men have a heart to heart about Bella while she sleeps and everyone loves each other and everyone cares more about this one than that one, and she loves me and she loves me too, etc, etc. Basically, Bella loves both Edward and Jacob and so she must chose which supernatural creature she wants to share the rest of her life with — even though she’s like only 18.

Ok, so that’s where the Teams come in. The Twilight fan base is fiercely divided and so that is the eternal question: Team Edward or Team Jacob?

So, again, when I was asked to decide, I really agonized over it, not because I think they are both so hot and awesome — just the opposite. I felt that they both had really big flaws and in truth, Bella should probably just marry some normal guy. But, yeah, how do you go back to your ordinary life after you’ve been exposed to the supernatural world of vampires and werewolves? You can’t, and that’s why a choice has to be made (unless Bella could find a nice leprechaun to be with).

Here’s a list of reasons why I feel neither are good for Bella. (Note, these are all based on events from the first three books.)

EDWARD

  • He’s killed and can kill again. Murderers, not so high on the list of prospective mates.
  • As a human, Bella can barely get a kiss out of Edward let alone sex, because he’s so attracted to her blood and even if he controls his urge to drain her, there’s still the issue of his superhuman strength crushing/killing her.
  • Personal issue for me: While Edward’s family does not feed on humans anymore, they still have to live on blood, which means they feed off of the blood of animals. I’m a veg and would not want to have to live that way. (Again, personal issue for me.)
  • He left her once and it nearly destroyed her, both emotionally and physically (the latter because she was left in Forks unprotected against the more dangerous vampires). How do you trust someone who’s left you before? (Yes, I know it was ‘for her own good’, but that’s really no excuse.) She did nothing wrong, and he broke her heart. That’s just not right.
  • He’s too controlling and doesn’t let Bella make her own decisions. Granted, for the second half of Eclipse he seems to have finally come around, but his first instinct is to control her actions, make decisions for her, and impede her efforts. Not cool.
  • If Bella becomes a vampire to be with him, she has to give up the rest of her friends and family, although, she seems to be doing that already (another unhealthy aspect to their relationship).
  • The world of vampires is dangerous, whether Bella is human or becomes a vampire herself. If she is turned, it just means she’ll be more involved in the vampire world.
  • If you’re a religious person, you might just be concerned about what happens to you after you die. Choosing vampirism just might not get you into Heaven. Bella believes that everyone has a ‘soul’ and Edward definitely feels that he’d be condemning Bella’s if he changes her. Eternal damnation is a bitch, you know.
  • If Bella becomes a vampire to be with Edward, there’s no going back. Yes, she could leave Edward if she wanted to, but would most likely have to choose another vampire to be with, which would defeat the purpose of her giving up being human. If she happens to fall for a human, she would then be in the same predicament as Edward is with her.

JACOB

  • He’s too immature and hot-headed.
  • Since he believes that Bella is in love with him, regardless of how many times she says she loves Edward, he forces himself on her and Bella ends up breaking her hand punching him. Now, kissing her is no big deal, but the fact that he is so much stronger than her and she’s unable to stop him, is what I have a problem with.
  • Having grown up on a reservation, he knows little of the world outside of it, and it doesn’t seem like he has any plans to leave.
  • Bella would still be human, while Jacob is a werewolf. That means she would age, but he would age at a much slower pace. This is one of Bella’s issues: she doesn’t want to grow old while her mate stays young. With Edward, she can become immortal and stay young; with Jacob, she would age.
  • Life on the reservation seems to be a lot about watching sports and drinking beer. This is not the life Bella wants for herself. This is why her mother left Charlie, and this is why Bella could never stay with Jacob. I know she’s obsessed with doing dishes, but if her life was to cook and clean while Jacob hangs out with his wolf buddies watching football and drinking beer, she’d never be happy. And if her only purposed was to squeeze out wolf babies, forget it, she’s history.
  • No privacy. The wolf pack can read each other’s minds, whether they want to or not. That means they’d all know every intimate detail of Bella and Jacob’s personal life.
  • Since Bella would still be human, she’d be left behind while Jacob ran with his wolf buddies — left behind to do those dishes and change those diapers, because what the hell else is she going to do? Oh, yeah, she can take up knitting and sit with the other wolf wives. How fun.
  • Bella would still be in danger. Sam, the head wolf, lost control one day and disfigured his girlfriend Emily’s face. Seeing how hotheaded Jacob is, it’s possible he could inadvertently harm Bella this way, or even kill her.
  • MAJOR ISSUE: We know that Edward is mature and worldly and understands that Bella loves him and Jacob. I believe that Edward would never hold this against her. Jacob, on the other hand, would probably never get over it. I imagine that every so often in an argument he would accuse Bella of still loving Edward or of wishing she had chosen to be with Edward instead. I think the riff would always be there, which would be unfair to Bella.
  • There’s still a chance that Jacob can ‘imprint’ on someone else. This means that even if he promises to be with Bella, another person can come along who he’s destined to be with and then he’d have to go be with that other person. We’ve seen this happen when Sam imprinted on Emily, leaving his girlfriend Leah bitter and brokenhearted.

Yes, I realize I’ve focused on the negative here, but that’s because I feel that everyone is choosing a Team based on looks, as well as the events that have happened, not those that will happen. Right now, Bella is a teenager, she shouldn’t even have to choose who to spend her life with while she’s this young — and she knows it, too. That’s why she has an aversion to marriage. But, if she wants to be with Edward, she has to choose right away or she’ll grow older while he stays young (plus, there’s the whole Volturi issue where they pretty much said that if Bella isn’t turned, they’re all dead).

In the end, it’s obvious that Bella truly loves Edward. He is her soulmate, while Jacob is her friend. I don’t believe that she’s actually in love with Jacob at all. He’s someone she cares about and can talk to; she’s obviously attracted to him; he was there for her while she was trying to get over Edward, but that’s not love, that’s rebound. All through New Moon, Bella recognizes that she’s using Jacob to cope with her pain of losing Edward — she’s not doing it maliciously. She really enjoys being with Jacob, but her heart belongs to Edward.

Had Bella never met Edward, I still don’t believe that she’d ever truly be happy settling down with Jacob. A consistent theme through the story is that Bella doesn’t feel “normal,” she doesn’t feel like she was meant to have an ordinary life. She’s clumsy and awkward, she doesn’t socially interact very well. She’s a smart girl and a very good student; she has aspirations to get out of Small Town, USA, and do something with her life. She might not know what that something is, but it definitely doesn’t involve settling down on a reservation, pushing out babies for a wolf boy. One of her biggest fears is to be stuck in a boring life in a small town at a young age, like her mother was with her father. For Jacob, his life seems to be mapped out for him already, it doesn’t appear that he has a choice to leave his home and his wolf brothers to go and make a new life for himself with Bella somewhere else.

With Edward, Bella would have to become a vampire, but she’d have a mate who’s her equal and treats her that way. They could travel, she could see the world, they can live wherever they wanted to (as long as the sun don’t shine too much). It would probably take 200 years before she gets bored, and maybe she wouldn’t even then.

The Edward/Bella relationship, as it stands at the end of Eclipse, is not perfect, hell, it’s not even ideal. But, while I initially viewed Edward as a boring emo vampire retard who broke the poor girl’s heart, in Eclipse I finally got to see a side of him that really should have been emphasized from the beginning. He is intelligent, he’s compassionate, he’s mature, and he’s forever a gentleman. If it wasn’t for the whole ‘killing’ thing — and the heartbreaking issue (I know, it’s hard for me to forgive) — I’d choose Edward for Bella without hesitation. Plus, with him, she wouldn’t have to do the fucking dishes all day, every day!!!!

I have yet to read Breaking Dawn and while I’ve heard about some major plot points, I have no idea how Bella and Edward’s relationship progresses emotionally. What will it be like outside of the Forks community or when Bella is no longer a confused teenager? When Bella becomes a vampire, will that change anything with how she feels about Edward? Will Edward still want her? The whole ‘becoming a vampire’ thing can be a real game-changer, so I’m really curious how it all will turn out. For now, I can only base my arguments and decisions on what I know from the first three books.

In the end, this probably seems like more analysis than necessary for a franchise I’m not even a major fan of and a lot of people like to dismiss and mock, but even though we’re talking vampire vs. werewolf, finding love, suffering disappointments, facing difficult choices, and making tough decisions are all a part of life. The Twilight Moms contingency most likely knows this already, but I’d like the overwhelming majority of teenage girls obsessed with the Twilight series who relate to Bella to realize that making decisions should be based on more than just on looks and the early ‘honeymoon’ phase of a relationship. No one is perfect and no relationship is always ideal; it takes work and commitment and coming out stronger after facing hardships, and learning from your mistakes. In my opinion, that seems to be the kind of relationship that Bella and Edward have, and therefore is the reason why, after all is said and done, I had to go with Team Edward.

What about you? Are you Team Edward or Team Jacob, and why? Try to think beyond the six-pack abs or the golden eyes.

  • Erin

    I wont give any spoilers away, but I always thought it was obvious who she was going to end up with. I read the books awhile back on a recommendation from a friend and even through that whole story I never once thought differently.

    So yeah, I am one of the ones who never chose because it really seemed pointless.

  • Jacque

    I am a fan of the books. Not so much the movies as the bad acting and poor character development in the scripts are together to much too handle. But, it is Sam, not Paul, who is the leader of the wolf pack, imprinted with Emily and broke Leah’s heart.

  • http://geeksofdoom.com Empress Eve

    @Jacque, yes, you’re right, I don’t know why I had Paul on the brain. It’s fixed. I’m sure I’ve made a ton of other mistakes too (but hopefully not).

  • Monica

    Excellent analysis, even better than most fan articles. Your reasons for picking Edward are all the reasons I would never be Team Edward. Of course he is more intelligent and mature than Jacob, he is 108-109 years old! He is old enough to be her great-great-grandfather. That was a turn off completely (same with the sucking blood, killing either people or animals-just say no to killers). I saw their relationship as the Anna Nicole Smith syndrome: young girl with Daddy issues falling in love with rich, older man who acts like her father. Bella liked Edward because he was good-looking, had a good-looking family, and had a beautiful lifestyle. He was different and flashy. She liked Jacob for his personality and his ability to make her laugh. They built a solid relationship based on caring and getting to know each other.
    How old does it get to move from town to town, live there for 4 years then move on before people realize you aren’t aging. To leave your family and focus on just one person? To live in a society for the rest of your life but not be involved with it at all for centuries?
    Jacob might have grown up in a reservation but so did his sister. His sister went to college and moved away from the reservation to live with her husband in Hawaii. Jacob could do the same. He will continue to phase into a wolf until the Cullens move from the area then he will be normal and age like normal people. His obligation to his tribe and humans over, he can have his own life. It’s stereotypical to say just because he is a poor Native kid living on a reservation he is going to want Bella to be barefoot, pregnant and serving his meals while he hangs out with his budies. Nothing in the books gave the impression that Jacob wanted a housewife. Jacob is hotheaded but also mature for his age. He takes the protection of the tribe and Bella very seriously. Another 16 year old boy would want to just hang out and have fun instead of take on the burdens of protecting his tribe full-time. I didn’t believe that Bella was in love with either Jacob or Edward, I thought she was attracted to both in different ways. I thought she was in love with the vampire life so in choosing Edward, she got her wish to be beautiful, live forever, and have lots of money. Most women reading these books are Team Edward because that’s what most of us secretly wish for. From teens to college students to housewives, you want to be an ageless beauty, with time and money plus the ageless beautiful husband who will never cheat on you and will love you until the end of time. Team Jacob is harder and not as glamorous. I’ve been married for close to 10 years now to my best friend our getting together was more of a Team Jacob type: slow and steady. The Team Edward type relationships in my age group have been rocky with lots of divorces or separations.

  • Eli

    Well done, Empress Eve. You nailed it!

  • sole

    “with him, she wouldn’t have to do the fucking dishes all day, every day!!!!”
    Hilarius!
    I love what you wrote. I love Edward. He´s the only, best choose!
    Lucky luchy Bella!

  • Sheery Regalado

    Jacob all the way I like a guy with a heartbeat. I’d take fur over fangs anyday.

  • http://geeksofdoom.com Empress Eve

    @Monica
    Before I read Eclipse, I always said Bella would be better off with Jacob. I really liked this personality much better and how he treated Bella and how they had a natural friendship.

    Then I read Eclipse, and I really didn’t like how Jacob acted. He would get mad when he didn’t get his way, and then he kissed Bella when she didn’t want it — in the book it is made clear that she is struggling to push him off her but that he was too strong, so I really didn’t like that, that really turned me off to him.

    Also, Jacob seems too aggressive. Aside from being easily angered, he enjoys the kill a little too much, while Edward does not.

    I’m not saying Jacob would want Bella to be barefoot and pregnant, it just seemed to me that on the reservation there would really be no other place for her. What would she do there? What would Jacob do there? Maybe Jacob’s sister left (I don’t really recall this information – which book is it from), but she wasn’t a wolf. Maybe if the Cullens leave, he won’t phase anymore, but we’ve already seen that there’s plenty of other vampires out there. Jacob and his pack could go back to being wolves at any time.

    Again, I was basing my decision on events that happen in the first three books. So far what I’ve seen about life on the reservation is cliff jumping, drinking, watching sports, and wolf council meetings. Also, Jacob doesn’t care much for school and I don’t recall him ever talking about what he’s going to do with his life. He’s like 2 years younger than Bella, so in reality, he’s way too young to settle down and still has a lot of life to live, he shouldn’t really even be thinking of ‘forever’ at this point. (Mind you, Bella shouldn’t either, but her situation is different.)

    Me, personally, in the end, I probably would choose Jacob for myself because I would never want to have to feed off humans or animals; I do believe in souls and wouldn’t want mine damned; and Edward has proven that he will ‘leave’(though it seems that when vampires mate it’s forever, so maybe that wouldn’t be an issue).

  • Lisa

    Quick question: what’s the point of Teams if we all know who she chooses in the end?

  • Monica

    @Empress Eve
    Jacob has two sisters: Rachel and Rebecca, they are twins. He talks about them briefly in Twilight but we find out more in Breaking Dawn. Both sisters went to college. After college Rebecca moved to Hawaii and got married. Rachel comes back to the reservation and Paul (from the wolf pack) imprints on her.

    I felt like Bella and Jacob were alike in not having great ambitions beyond high school. Bella did well in school but did not have any major plans for her life. It was Edward (again taking on the role as her father) who pushed her into applying for college. She was going to do it for HIM, to be with HIM-not for herself. If something happened to Edward, she would simply just leave college and most likely commit suicide.

    Jacob and Bella could have moved out of the area and found a future that works for both of them. Something between living on the reservation and the high-class lifestyle of the vampires. Even if Jacob didn’t go to college, mechanics make a lot of money. With his own shop (and Bella as the manager), they could live an upper-middle class lifestyle. Bella loved the sun, so maybe they move to Hawaii to be closer to Jacob’s sister. He would choose Bella over his wolfpack (Spoiler: In Breaking Dawn he is forced to make that choice and he picks Bella).

    I guess I understood Jacob’s anger a bit more than you and his need to kill vampires. Bella WAS leading him on which is unkind and leads to frustration in both men and women (I disagree with kissing her without her consent though). Vampires in the book KILLED people. They don’t just take a sip of your blood, they erased you from the face of the Earth: men, women, children. Even the Cullens are only one mistake away from killing one of those children they go to school with. It’s like hanging out with ex-murders with the potential to kill at an instant. Jacob wanted THEM eliminated from the face of the Earth. His aggression against them was warranted and necessary. His entire tribe was almost killed by vampires. They were a daily risk to Bella (with at LEAST one trying to kill her in each book).

    I found Edward way too feminine and soft. He is the dream guy that 13-year old girls would like all men to be: an asexual version of themselves. This becomes more apparent in Breaking Dawn, you will see. I understand the fantasy since I was once a 13-year old girl too. But I like the more multi-dimensional and manly Jacob. Again, great job on the deep analysis of the two male characters. Thanks for taking the time to try and understand why many of us like these characters so much.

  • TwoDiffSocks

    Hi Ya’ll, i’m not a fan of the books or movies BUT i have seen the movies–my daughter loves them & read the books. Team Jacob or Team Edward……um, everyone does understand that the books & movies are VAMPIRE based hence the obvious choice: Edward. if that isnt enough, Ms Meyer’s has stated “it will always be Edward” guessing sorta ruins an obvious choice here.

    Sorry

  • DjaksMom

    I do wish the young girls would see past the Lautner 6 pack. The initial attraction to Twilight, book or movie, was the love story w/ Bella and Edward. Any woman can relate to Edward’s character being, (almost), the perfect man due to him being so loving, attentive, and what I truly find the most appealing quality, PROTECTIVE. Not really a much better way to show someone you love them than to protect them. I guess the way I see it is that the true fans of the story could never be Team Jacob…he’s too immature & grouchy & just doesn’t have that classic love story chemistry w/ Bella. I find myself wanting SOMEONE to be with him, just not her…especially in the movies where that 6 pack IS very enjoyable to look at, for the record!

  • SilentJay74

    My God, This whole thread reminds me of the Taylor Lautner SNL skit.

    http://snltranscripts.jt.org/09/09itwilight.phtml

  • Anisha

    I am a twilight book fan and less so of the movies. The movies are o.k. but not as good as the books. I was on Team Edward during the first book (Twilight). Then he left in the second book (New Moon)out of the blue. It was a WTF moment, and competely sad. I was so angry at him and felt bad for Bella.

    Anyway, I got to know Jacob and fell in love with him. He saved Bella from the bad vampire and kept her alive when she wanted to kill herself. So I was a Team Jacob convert and stuck with him to the end. I didn’t like how things ended with him and Bella in the last book (Breaking Dawn). I think he should have left and had a life separate from her with someone who was worthy of him. He deserved better than to become part of Bella’s extended family (yuck!)
    So yeah even before the movies there were Team Edward and Team Jacob camps. Pattinson and Lautner have nothing to do with it. At my school it was a big split between the girls (and some boys); we would get into shouting fights about it. Even the debate team got into the act to try and get new members.

  • Shilling

    Jacob I guess, because sparkly vampires can fuck off.

  • Wivjaeho

    Thanks, Empress Eve!
    Your analysis is so much more objective and neutral and hilarious!

    One issue I have with Jacob is that he forced himself on Bella even after she refused him, unlike Edward. At least, Edward does not made use of his superior physical strength and forced himself on Bella. But that may be due to the fact that he wants to keep himself from crushing or suffocating her literally…

  • Amy

    It’s a very close call for me! I, personally, would choose Jacob. It’s clear Bella is meant to be with Edward, no one can deny that. But I think Edward is too pushy and overprotective. He warns Bella about the dangers of werewolves, but what about the dangers of vampires? Yes, he loves her, he could never hurt her. But the danger is still there.

    But as Jacob said, if there were no monsters, no vampires to turn local teenagers into giant furballs, Bella and Jacob WOULD be together. Their relationship is natural. Though neither one of the two are perfect, Jacob is DEFINITELY more real in my mind.

  • Allie

    I really think that still, it’s Jacob. Whoever wrote this was to judgmental. Jacob could get over how Bella loved Edward. Jeez. Taylor Lautner’s hotness is not what pulls me toward Team Jacob. I wonder what if Bella had gone with Jacob?
    I think that Edward and Bella are way to codependent. Yeah, Jacob’s obsession for Bella is unhealthy, I’ll admit it. But still, Jacob would be so much better for Bella.
    Edward is always with Bella, always trying to make her decisions, telling her of the dangers of any decision but him. This may not be so true in the first book, but it is later.
    I really think Amy is right when she says that if it weren’t for Edward, Jacob and Bella would be together. It’s the Cullens’ fault for turning Jake into a wolf, so I bet if Edward left forever, Jake would stop phasing.
    This story could have taken a better path, but it’s a good series to read.

  • alexa

    hi im new but i have a warning whoever is on team edward well lets just say there not using their eyes

  • hello

    i am team edward :
    because of obviously his looks are so much better than jacob but more importantly because of what edward would do for bella . he would die for her and would do anything that she wants him to do. But it also makes womens expecations to high these days. Everyone wants someone like edward and it is a rare chance you will find someone who is that sweet and loving.

  • Audra

    Loved your analysis!!! You should read the final book. I’m Team Edward all the way but truly Bella and Jacob would be perfect for each other because they are both complete brats!

  • sara

    So if Edwards with Bella, does that mean Jacob is available?

  • Liz

    Although I can’t deny Jacob has a beautifully chiseled torso, an impeccable tan, and seems fun to chill with, it is evident that Edward Cullen is the person who really deserves Bella’s heart.

    Edward is passionate, protective, charming, loving, and a true gentleman. He sacrifices his will to be with Bella to keep her safe and does anything and everything to protect her! Jacob, on the other hand, is impulsive and can’t accept that Bella has put him in the “friend zone.” All I can say to that is, sorry, buddy! Get over yourself, she’s just NOT that into you!

    I wish men these days were as compassionate and giving as Edward is; he is a real modern gentleman and any woman would be glad to call him her own. If you agree with me, let me know at: http://fattext.com/group.php?id=2124

  • http://www.facebook.com lorrie

    oh my god teaammmm eddwwwaaarrrddd aaannnndddd jacob you cant pikk wich one there both as hot but if i ad to pikk?-edward- coz bella broke her hand on jacobs face pahhh

  • Hanna

    100% Edward Cullen he is hott and nice and sweet oh yeh and HOTT!!! GO TEAM EDWARD and jacob cant u get the hint that Bella does not like you!!!!!!!!!

  • Chloe

    100% Jacob he is sooo sexy i love you Jacob and all ur fans xxx

  • Cielo

    I’m team Jacob for many reasons OTHER than because he’s hot.
    #1: I think that while he is a werewolf, and therefore not exactly normal, he is the HEALTHIER choice for Bella because with Edward, there’s always a chance that he could hurt her no matter how much he loves her.
    #2: He never left her. While you can call it ‘rebound’ the point is that he was and is always with her thoughout the entire series. He may not agree with her decisions, and he may say that they can’t be friends anymore, but he always MAKES it work.
    #3: With Jacob, Bella can live a really normal life. She doesnt have to change. She can have a house, see Charlie, have children, get a job, whatever, without having to leave it all behind a few years later.
    #4: You said that Jacob would leave Bella cleaning dishes while he goes around like a wolf. I think that’s false. I mean, other than the Cullens, Forks isn’t exactly CRAWLING with vampires, so I think he would make time for Bella since-unlike the third book-it’s highly unlikely that he’d have to be on wolf duty 24/7 in order to protect Bella.
    #5: He may be immature, but that’s because he IS young. Edward’s too old for Bella. Jacob is young, and he acts young. He acts his age, no matter how old he may look.
    #6: While he can lose his temper, we saw in Eclipse that though he’s ‘hot-headed’ he doesn’t let it force him to phase. Most of the time, he gets angry-granted, easily-but it doesnt really affect anything, and generally he’s over it shortly.
    #7: Jacob might not have plans to leave the reservation, but that’s Bella isn’t it? She likes things simple. Moving around every few years with Edward isn’t simple.
    #8: Edward unneccisarily spends money and buys her stuff that she apprechiates, but doesnt want. He like…sucks up to her. He comes off kind of smothering. Whereas, Jacob doesnt get her something if she doesnt want it, but is willing to get her something if she does.
    #9: Jacob isn’t rich. Edward has all this money and nothing to do with it. Bella doesnt like the extravagance that Edward and his family are used to. She’d rather things be fairly simple, and I think that the reservation is a simple place.
    #10: You also said that Jacob would hold the drama that went on between them over her head, always saying ‘you probably wish you chose Edward’ ect. calling, it immature. If they were to get married, I think he would have grown up some. You keep calling him immature, but the fact is that he’s actually not very old. He’s like 16 or 17 years old as apposed to a 100 year old vampire. You can’t compare Jacob with 17 years of life experience to someone with 100 years under his belt. Jacob’s immature because he’s onlyl 17, and I think that by the time he’s around 22, and wants to get married, he would have grown up some.
    #11: Yes, Bella would be in danger, but, god, that girl was such a clumsy person before she met either boy, she’s a danger to herself.
    #12: The fact that Bella would age and Jacob would not has nothing to do with how he’s the better or bad choice for bella. Bella has some serious age issues, and honestly, just needs to GET OVER IT
    #13: Like you said, Edward is controlling. While Jacob never liked Bella hanging with the Cullens, he never physically stopped her like Edward did when he took the battery out of her truck, or when he threatened to cross the boundary and start war-knowing that Bella wouldnt want him hurt. He manipulated her love for him on that one. Jacob never did that.

    My point is that I like Jacob more than Edward, and am Team Jacob.
    But, I don’t think either guy is really bad. If I had to pick of the othe characters to hate, it’d be Bella. She’s just so needy and stuff. Personally, I don’t think she deserved either guy, and that she really used Jacob. Jacob could do SO MUCH better, but out of the two, I prefer him.

  • Ellen

    JACOB REASONS

    i like both but personaly edward is suicidal when jacob kept her actauly alive!so i would sat jacob one because jasper and other vamps will atack bell if she bleads so yehhh………. that and edward kinda is over protective and watches her sleep wat a stalker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ohhh and that edward has a temper to dont go complainin just jacob!!!that and edward can barley protect bell u see jacobs pack in new moon took out one vamp like a bug and in twighlight blle almost died because edward could just barley handle one! oh and edward always questions her theres always a wall with jacob she can realx

    EDWARD REASONS

    i like them both again but bell does seem to like edward more. belle was suicidal once he left trying to break every rule. edward enchants bell more with his looks then jacob. if edward wasnt there in that alley in p.a who knows wat could of happened to bell.that and edward tried to mas=ke peace with jacob but jacob didnt take it. Edward always protected bell when jacob couldnt.

    CONCLUSION

    both are great but edward did kinda did see her fist.

  • DDM

    Jacob is a stalker and can’t take ‘NO’ for an answer. Always disliked that in a man. Back off, Jacob! (ever notice how loooong his neck is?)

  • Ally

    I was done with Jacob after parking place scene in the book. He took pleasure, torturing Edward. Actually his action was pointless, it only gave him delight. How anyone after that can think that Jacob is better choice?!

  • taylor

    100% EDWARD HE IS SO HOTT I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS JACOB CANT EVEN TAKE A HINT BELLA DOES NOT WANT HIM AT ALL EDWARD WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WITH IT CUZ HE LOVES HER THAT MUCH SO NTEAM EDWARD ALL THE WAY

  • sarah

    I HAVE TO AGREE W/ TAYLYOR(ABOVE) SHE IS SOOO RIGHT!! edward gets why bella would want that dog(no offense to k9 owners i hve a pet too),he gets it because that would mean bella would stay human and live a relitivly normal life!!! and the fact that edward can controll his temper miles better than jacob!!! i do hve to admit… jacob(taylor laughtner) is gorgeously HOT!! but rob… omg, he is flamin!!! Edward also is a gentalman and wants what bella wants, for the most part, jacob wants what he thinks is right for bella, hint hint he is wrong!!!!! So as u can see,
    TEAM EDWARD 1,000,000,000,000,000,000%!!

  • sarah

    I also would like to say that in the movies they dont have a ben, they only hve mike eric and tyler!! grr! SPOILER!!!!
    bella’s ring is all wring,to me, it is too cheesy and fancy. also in breaking dawn, wat i hve seen in trailers, the dress they have bella were for the wedding is tooo modern it says in breaking dawn(not a quote from the book but a general idea) it was like a dress from 1918, edwards time, not 2010 or wat ever the year it coms out!! ugh that make me angry!! X( wat ever… i think that they should stick to the books more!!! ooo and wat i dont lik is wen people choos a team edward and jacob teams on hotness not pesonality or what they want for bella or wat they do to help bella!!! i do undrstand that edward did leave bella, but he did so because he thought(it was a horrible idea) that leaving bella would b better for her saftey and her mortality!!! so he did almost everything for bella, not to hert her intensionally like jacob mostly does!!

  • sarah

    to cielo’s comment, all of the things u said are t=true.but the only reason edward took the batery out of her truck was because he was prtecting her, i believe alice saw bella so sumthing stupi, and edward gave her a choice to let him in through the window or not that night,she STILL chose him, actually on claim was false, jacob did munipulate bella’s love, if u read breaking dawn or may be it was the end of eclipse, jacob kissed bella w/out her permission to try to show bella that she ‘loved’ him, she did but she loved edward more. and cielo, if u read the first 264pages of midnight sun on stephanie meyers web site, u wood know that edward bought all of those things becuz he believed that bella shood get everything, she deserved eveything, and he bought all of those things becuz like u said he has ooddles of money!! also in breaking dawn, he bought her that mercedz becuz like cielo said, she is clumsy, she is constanly hurting herself, so that car is hurt and dager safe, he is just trying to preserve bella, and he never wanted her to bcome a vampire it was that or let her die, and frankly jacob and eward would kill them selves together if she did die!!! edward was a creepy stlker dude cuz he couldnt help him slef and jacob cae ti bella’s bedroom window tooo in new moon, to them she is like a human goddess. like cielo i dont totally see wat edward and jacob see in bella *cough cough* i a think that i am way more of a suitable choice myself! and bella wouldntmind moving around w/ edward becuz she loves him and would do anything to be with him and visa versa! again TEAM EDWARD ALL THE WAY! let the debate charge foward!!

  • jillian

    I obviously think that Edward is the right choice because i’ve read the books and am obbsessed but their love is more than a teen love and I think that edward is so sweet compassionate,loving,proctective,and sarcastic at times that they would have the perfect life minus the volturi. And jacob is just nothing compared to edward, he may be good looking but thats the only contributing factor I see. SPOILER!!!- bella and edward ahve the kis together and i think renesmee brings them closer if jacob and her had a kid it would just mean nothing and it wouldn’t be important. That’s why i’m TEAM EDWARD all the way to the end!!!! ♥♥♥♥ love how he wrote her a ♫lullaby♫

  • jillian

    *have the kid together not ahve the kis

  • John

    I read the books before I even knew about this crazed out fandom and this whole team debate which is rare nowadays. LOL! So here is what I thought after reading all 4 books about the team debate.

    I never liked Jacob. Once he became a wolf, he turned into a jerk. He was just too pushy and just couldn’t except that Bella wasn’t that in to him. Hell, even when she “realized” she loved him (which came out of nowhere since she constently keep telling us she didn’t) her heart belonged to Edward. I blind man eating ice cream could see that.

    I hated it when he forced kissed Bella, I was so disturbed that I had to put the book down. Bella was clearly struggling to get him off and I’m sorry, but that act was almost borderline rape. No means NO!!! And the fact that in order to get her to kiss him again he says he is going to kill himself was just low. Tha is not love, but pure selfish maniputation. His motive at first may have been to “save” Bella, but it quickly turned into ,”I want what I want and that’s it.” Such a baby, man. In the first book he was… okay. The second book he was still okay until he became a wolf. The third one killed all hope of me ever liking his character.

    The whole team debate is actually funny because it was always Edward. Even when he was gone, it was always him. Edward and Bella had PASSION and anyone could see that. She wanted him like the air she breathed and it was the same for him. Even though I hated the break up between them, it was necessary. They needed to see what it was like to be apart and it almost killed them both. They always say, if you love something then let it go and if it’s meant to be it will come back to you. Edward and Bella were always meant to be, period. I always find it funny that Jacob said if a world of vampires and werewolves didn’t exist then he and Bella would be together… that is so wrong. Tyler’s van would have killed her in the first book. LOL!

    So I guess that’s it from me. Everybody who likes Jacob, keep liking him, but as for me… I’ve been running with the vampires since ’92, baby. Edward and Bella forever!!!

  • Emily

    Okay I get that wth Edward, he is all mature and stuff, but sometimes it isn’t maturity that someone wants, they want the fun, the smile, the heart. Sometimes it is comforting to hug someone that is WARM! Think even if you are a vampy too, do you really want to hug a peice of marble? Yeah, sure marble is soft, and in certain cases the same temp., but would you want to hug it, I think not. Also, Jacob can leave the pack since he isn’t the alpha, he can go lone wolf, or give-up being a wolf entirely. So yes I am team Jacob, and btw, FORGET Bella, I don’t even like her, just Jacob!

  • Jessica

    Team jacob 4—>… bc jacob is simply sweet and adorable he knows how to love someone he never gives up his the perfect best friend idk how bella could pick edward over jacob his love is pure nd sweet.. nd he uderstands her perfectly way more then edward he knows wht shes thinking w/out the mind reading powers!!! nd edward is always so wrong bout how bella thinks…Jacob was always being there for her when she needed him he always kept his promises I simply adore jacob ♥ nd it hurts me evrytime i read new moon it makes me soo fucking angry on how bella treats jacob when she dosent need him no more how he brought her peace nd happiness nd all she gave him was pain … :(
    Nd also Jacob does so much for bella he would die for her all he wants is her happiness but he acted tht way in eclipse bc he wanted her to be sure bout her desition nd he had a right to fight foer her nd it demonstrates more tht he really loves her bc even tho he knew he was goona get hurt in the process he never gave up on her nd all he wants is bellas safety he gave up all the rivalty he had w/ edward to save her… Jacob would always be there for bella he even saud he would take her even if she became a vampire nd i feel dat bella is more herself when shes w/jacob she can tell evrything to jacob but im glad bella stayed with edward bc bella never deserved jacob hes to good for her.. Nd even when she was married to edwars he protected her from his brothers he turned on them just for her to protect her nd her baby

  • omg edward :0

    you are all dumb as rocks a vampire would eat her as would a werewolf. i know hes a vegibloodian or something like that but he is still a vampire (watch nosferatu). They dont like pussy they like neck. They want to penetrate you in the worst way imaginable, you wont like it, they will bleed you dry and use your skin for a rain coat. so whenever you sad excuses for human beings decide to join the rest of us on planet earth, we will happily accept you back, as long as you burn ur ill advised “team edward” or “team jacob” tattoos off ur bodies. Until then enjoy you teen paranormal romance genre in your lonesome (ouch the truth hurts), because no one likes a literate dumbass (see glen beck). go team grow the fuck up

  • nisha

    i am 100% team edward like jacob is hot but edward!!!!!!!!!! head over heals sexii and totally magical, i think thatbella is a little sissy and cares only for her needs and desires i mean eclipse proves my point all the way. team edward bitchesz!!!!!!!!!!!

  • nisha

    omg edward:0 you are like so dumb if you really dont care why are you wasting your time on a forum you dont give a damn about?? o yeah, and in breaking dawn edward totally gave it to her you bitch

  • Corrabelle

    i do not get the teams i think if u can not pick thar shoud  become a team twlilght

  • Gummy Bears

    I prefer Jacob as a male friend to Bella, whilst Edward is her perfect soul mate. Don’t get me wrong, Edward has his flaws, but the way he speaks to her is so… sweet ^_^  

  • http://batman-news.com teamedwardsodealwithit

    Team edward! Edward Cullen is so hot! This might sound crazy! but its your opinion about what team your on! It doesnt matter what other people say about it! we all have our own opinion!

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